Obama Appoints Shemale

President Obama recently named Amanda Simpson to be a Senior Technical Advisor to the Commerce Department.

The kicker? Simpson is a shemale. Just look at the name, "A Man Da." Shiver. I don't buy the whole transgendered thing. I'm sorry you don't feel comfortable in the skin God gave you, but chopping off your dangley bits isn't the answer, medication and counseling is. God doesn't make mistakes, men do.

In a statement, Simpson, a member of the National Center for Transgender Equality's board of directors, said that "as one of the first transgender presidential appointees to the federal government, I hope that I will soon be one of hundreds, and that this appointment opens future opportunities for many others."

Sure, hundreds of them, why not? They can have a big pride parade, and invite all their gay and cross dressing friends, it will be fabulous, fab-u-lous!

While Simpson is clearly one of the first transgender presidential appointees, Democratic officials say they're unsure if she is the very first one.

Well sure, the jury is still out on Janet Reno and Janet Napolitano.

The White House had no comment on her appointment.

A 2004 YWCA "Woman on the Move," Simpson recently served as Deputy Director in Advanced Technology Development at Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, Arizona.

At Raytheon, Simpson -- a former test pilot who had worked for the company for more than a generation -- transitioned from male to female and was instrumental in convincing the military contractor to add gender identity and expression to its
equal employment opportunity policy.

Where does this end? Are we going to have to start hiring pedophiles, because they were born that way, and we don't want to discriminate? If you want to hire someone who has changed their sex, fine, but the hiring shouldn't be because they are that way, nor should it be a protected status. How about this, I am going to have a third arm attached to my body, and call myself a tri-armer. God accidentally gave me only two arms, and I feel that I was supposed to have three. I demand that tri-armers be a protected sector of the population, to avoid discrimination. How is this any different?

Update:

I recieved a letter from a "classical transgendered" person, indicating how they were offended by my lumping them together with transvestites, and crossdressers. In all honesty I didn't write this piece to insult people, so I replied with the following:

I can understand your being upset with my clumping together the two groups. I must plead ignorance on the subject, since I really never took the time to learn the difference, because it was honestly nothing that ever interested me. So, I apologize.

As far as classical transsexualism, I'm of the opinion, and it's simply that, opinion, that it isn't a birth defect, but a mental illness, like body integrity identity disorder.

As far as the AMA or the APA claiming that it is otherwise, I don't buy it, as I believe they have both become too PC in their "findings." Anyway, know that I hold nothing against you, or any other transsexual, we simply have differing views on the subject of protected status, etc.

90 comments:

AMW said...

Does this crap ever end? I've tried to be fair about Obama, but good intentions don't always lead to desirable results. We can only hope that the GOP can produce a worthy opponent within the next couple of years to counter this outlandish nonsense.

Just Jennifer said...

No, God does not make mistakes, but He does allow them to happen. Based on your logic, any child born with a birth defect should be forced to live with it.

That said, I do agree that people should not be hired because they are "transgender." But they should not be denied a job because they are, either.

I was born with the condition known as transsexualism or preferably Harry Benjamin Syndrome. I had corrective surgery and I have moved on with my life. I don't tell people about my past, and I don't wish to be known as anything other than as a woman.

I do have to wonder about someone who could be successful as a test pilot for years, carrying the burden that this person claims to carry. I lived with my condition far longer than I should have. Before I transitioned, my life was a wreck. Now, I am a successful, happy woman.

Notorious Nick said...

I'd argue that it is a pretty weak analogy to link birth defects with gender.

Just Jennifer said...

I am not linking "gender" with birth defects. I am linking those who have a brain that is sexually differentiated at odds with their body with birth defects. While I would tend to define "gender" as being a handy shorthand for "sexual differentiation of the brain," not everyone would. But I disagree with those who want to "deconstruct" gender.

tgnonsense said...

It appears the author has some how confused true transsexualism with the GLBT homosexual movement and chosen to merge the two as if they are one. It may come as a surprise that true transsexualism has been medically recognized for the last fifty years or so. For all but roughly the past 10 years there was never an issue with transsexualism, either from the political far right or far left. That changed with the advent of the “transgender” construct in the mid to late 1990s when drag queens, crossdressers, transvestites, and even some gay transsexuals were colonized by the gay rights movement…the GLB became the GLBT.

Some of the most conservative states in the union have long since acknowledged the legitimacy of true transsexuals. Arizona, in 1966, was the first state to allow post operative transsexuals the right to change their birth certificate. In 1968, Louisiana (not exactly known as a bastion of liberalism) also passed legislation allowing for post op transsexuals to change their birth certificate...the 1968 Louisiana law was passed specifically so that post operative transsexuals could legally enter into heterosexual marriage. And, what may be even more surprising to the author, the 1968 Louisiana birth certificate legislation was written, presented, and sponsored by the same legislator who 38 years later wrote the legislation constitutionally banning same sex marriage in Louisiana. Clearly the Louisiana legislature, along with the law makers in all but four other states, both conservative and liberal, have recognized the difference between a medical gender issue (transsexualism), and a social/moral sexual orientation one (homosexuality).

Most post operative true transsexuals transition, have their surgery, and then quietly merge into the mainstream. We are anything but “out and proud”. We live exceedingly normal lives. We work, and are productive. We marry, legally. We want neither fan fare nor publicity. The majority of us are heterosexual and do not support the GLBT…many if not most of us want no special legislative protection. There was a medical issue that was corrected by surgery and, once done, we go off they go to live our lives. Most of the time, those who interact with us have no clue as to our medical history or past.

I’ve worked for three of the top five integrated oil companies in the world…three of the top five process engineering firms on the planet…and four of the top ten EPC firms here in the States. None of these firms had a clue to my past and, as I’m sure you know, all of these companies were most conservative.

I realize that there are political buzz topics, but it aids one’s credibility if they have the facts rights; not doing so hints of ignorance on a subject “the heartland” is more informed of.

compashun-any1 said...

What an ignorant screed. Transsexualism is a naturally occurring birth condition. One characterized by a brain-body mismatch. And like people with birth conditions, transsexual people have the right to fix theirs. If you would like to read a summary of the SCIENTIFIC FACTS I can recommend the “Gender Basics” section on this webpage:

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html#anchor107763

Did you know that transsexualism is recognized as a MEDICAL (not psychological) condition by the Amercan Medical Association?:

http://www.tgender.net/taw/ama_resolutions.pdf

Not only that they support treating transsexual people by assisting them to transition (aka “sex change”) to living as their identified gender. The recommend the internationally recognized Standards of Care as a guideline for the transition process:

http://www.wpath.org/documents2/socv6.pdf

Transition is a long, expensive, medically monitored process. Nobody transitions overnight. For example the transition of somebody I know quite well took 4.5 years and about $80,000.

Your weak argument (I will refrain from calling it slander) sounds very similar to the ones used to support slavery, against immigrants, deny women the right to vote, against desegregation, against inter-racial marriage and more. History will depict you in a not so flattering light of a prejudiced bigot. Is that what you want? If not I suggest you become a little more familiar with the information in the links above, especially the first one.

It’s the 21st century folks; time to start acting like it.

Zoe Brain said...

There is another issue. Even if the biological and medical facts about cross-sexed neurology and intersex conditions are beyond you. Or if you don't believe in any of that "Science" stuff if it isn't in the Good Book:

Lefties generally, but also far too many people on the Right don’t take matters of National Security seriously.

The Job this gal is taking on involves making sure US technology that can be useful for making advanced weaponry – or Furby dolls – doesn’t fall into the wrong hands. It requires absolutely the best possible person for the job, with extensive experience in defence technology, or one day a US city is going to be froth on top of a mushroom cloud.

I remind you of her qualifications:
"Simpson has more than 30 years of experience in the aerospace and defense industry, most recently serving as Deputy Director in Advanced Technology Development at Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, Arizona.
...
She also holds degrees in physics, engineering and business administration along with an extensive flight background. She is a certified flight instructor and test pilot with 20 years of experience."

How many Rocket Scientists with 30 years experience in defence areas do you know, who have degrees in both Engineering and Business Administration as well as Physics? Ones who are available right now?

I know of one who comes close... another Rocket Scientist with 30 years defence experience. But she's Intersexed in an unusual way, and "transitioned" from looking male to looking female just as Ms Simpson did. The same atypical neurology characteristic of "Harry Benjamin's Syndrome" is found in other, similar Intersex conditions you see. It often bestows certain talents, so many end up with multiple degrees and extensive experience in defence-related areas.

Professor Lynn Conway, former head of the Defence Strategic Computing Initiative for example. She transitioned some time ago.

Or Dr Stephanie Langhoff, Chief Scientist at NASA's Ames Research Centre. She transitioned too.

If you are to hire the best people for positions vital to US National Security... you're pretty much guaranteed to get some women who are transsexual.

Oh by the way - calling a woman a "she-male" is like calling a Black American a "n1gger". It reflects more poorly on the caller than the callee.

Anonymous said...

Until we kill Political Correctness, expect more of the same. The feel-sorry-for-me, I-demand-rights destroyers of liberty and freedom are ruining our country. Take responsibility for oneself and stop dumping your agenda on the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

A-Man-da....A fitting name!

Southern Man said...

I truthfully could care less about this issue. As long as people keep their business their business and are not afforded special treatment or protections under the law I do not have; who cares. But you see the fact is transgenders, gays lesbians and minorities are afforded special status in this country. I am all for equal rights but not special rights. Hate crime laws and EEOC guidelines go beyond protection and well into promotion. I also have an issue with Zoe Brain; Unless I am misunderstanding her she is saying that only transgenders are intelligent enough to run the our defense. What a tool!

M. Seales said...

This is no surprise. The usurper-in-chief, himself a fraud, outdoes himself every day with new appointments. His so-called czars include pedophiles, commies and assorted whack jobs. Let's see if he apppoints the recently detained
would be Nigerian terrorist to his cabinet.
The American Medical Association and the psychological establishment long ago abandoned principles and science in favor of junk science and political correctness.

Leigh said...

"The feel-sorry-for-me, I-demand-rights destroyers of liberty and freedom"

Did you not read any of the posts made above yours? There is a world of difference between a 'truly' transsexed person and the GLBT affiliated group that insists on classifiying true transsexuals as 'transgendered'.

Let me re-iterate for you.

1. Transsexuals are not transgendered. That is a lie the GLBT propaganda machine have successfully bestowed on the general public.

2. For the most part, we are not in favor of special rights, nor do we subscribe to the feel-sorry-for-me attitude displayed by the GLB affiliated 'transgender activists'.

3. We as much as any of you would like nothing better than to see an end to transgender politics and are activly fighting for removal.

4. We DO take responsability for ourselves. We pay into the system from our own private funds to achieve the necessary surgeries and we do it willingly. Personally, I have never asked for anything from society at large other than to quit making stupid assumptions about us based on limited knowledge and often stupid acts done in the name of transsexuals by the GLB and the transgender-cross dressing-transvestitic-gender queer-just plain queer-drag queens-shemale machine.

6. We never asked to be included in their gender bending umbrella. We were included without our permission. Likewise, the intersexed have also been included, again without their permission. The fight for removal continues.

Please do some research before painting us all with the transgender brush. If you don't then you are simply playing into the hands of the GLBT which would like nothing better than to use our legitimate medical conditions as platform for their social construct.

Have a nice day

Joann Prinzivalli said...

I have to respectfully disagree with my friend Zoe Brain on one point - trans people *are* in the Bible (unless we're talking about some other "Good Book")!

See:

Isaiah 56:1-5
in which God loves eunuchs and strangers;

Matthew 19:12
where Jesus talks about different kinds of eunuch, referring in part to those who "make themseles eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven" (a reference to the Isaiah passage).

Acts 8:35-end
where Philip the Apostle baptizes an Ethiopian eunuch (who happened to have been reading the Book of ISaiah at the time).

The biblical term for trans people (and others) is "eunuch." This is clear from Jesus' words in Mt. 19:12.

On the principal blog reference to the term "shemale" - that was probably intended as a slur. But a Rabbi from Pleasantbville, New York has unearthed a secret in the Name of God. In the Bible, this is given as YHWH. Read it backward, and it comes out HW HY - pronounced Hoo Hee - which literally means "HE/SHE" - so terms like "shemale" and "he/she" really indicate that trans people are actually closer to being Godlike than cissexual people. Think about it . . .

Leigh said...

"Read it backward, and it comes out HW HY - "

??????? - oh lord

Your serious right?

Great example of transgender think ..

I rest my case

Joanne said...

Jeeze! Joann Prinzivalli's post has got to be one of the most convoluted pieces of TG self-justifacation I've read in a long while.

As for the distinction between those born with classical transsexualism and people who are obsessed with presenting themselves as the sex opposite their birth sex in public, the answere is simple.

The first is the result of neurobiological sex reversal during fetal development.

The second is usually the end result of a prolonged process of self-reinforcing, sexually stimulated, cross-dressing or transvestic behaviors.

Speaking as both an atheist and an individual who has experienced classical transsexualism I prefer a scientific approach :-)

Deanna said...

"If you want to hire someone who has changed their sex, fine, but the hiring shouldn't be because they are that way, nor should it be a protected status."

This implies she was hired because of her status. Evidence of that? What law or regulation compelled hiring her, or protected her transsexual status?

"The feel-sorry-for-me, I-demand-rights destroyers of liberty and freedom..."

This assumes she used her status to be hired. Evidence of that? How does she destroy liberty and freedom?

Come on. All of these assumptions and comments are long, long stretches of the imagination.

Anonymous said...

I cannot help but see the funny side of this blog entry. Mr notorious conservative with all those gay bodybuilding adverts running down the side of his page. Backhandedly paying Ms Simpson a compliment by comparing her to a certain genre of porn star.

I get Notorious Nickl's sense of irony ROTFL

Zoe Brain said...

As you can see, there's a certain range of opinions amongst transsexual people. Some are Goldwater conservatives, some rabid liberals, some a bit to the right of David Duke.

Some see GLBTS as a Threat To Civilisation As We Know It, others are "Live and let live", while yet others *are* Gay or Lesbian.

Some are militant atheists, others parse the Old Testament in the original Hebrew looking for Kabbalic significance.

I'm not sure they have "special rights" though.

While a Birth Defect - or Natural Variation - or Congenital Anomaly - depending on how PC you are would usually be covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act, they're specifically cut out from it. That's the only place they're mentioned in Federal law. Legal opinions differ though, some liberal lawyers have said they're covered in another section.

There are other laws that protect on the basis of race, or religion, or gender identity at the state level in 12 states. But these also protect Whites, or Christians, to the same degree. It would be fair to say that they have the same "special rights" at the state level as WASPS do. In 12 states. The other 38, the WASPS have more. Even Gay WASPS in 12 of them.

That's not opinion - it's fact: the text of the laws are available online.

Angel said...

I really have to laugh. First you quoted, "A 2004 YWCA "Woman on the Move," Simpson recently served as Deputy Director in Advanced Technology Development at Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, Arizona."

And then you went on to say, "If you want to hire someone who has changed their sex, fine, but the hiring shouldn't be because they are that way, nor should it be a protected status."

Isn't it obvious that Ms Simpson is qualified for the job, and that's why she was appointed? That's what gets me about all of the negative comments I've read about her... the people making the comments conveniently overlook her qualifications and instead focus on the fact that she had a sex change.

The President appointed a qualified individual to the position, and that individual just happens to be a transsexual. Get over it.

Joanne said...

Zoe Brain said:

How many Rocket Scientists with 30 years experience in defence areas do you know, who have degrees in both Engineering and Business Administration as well as Physics? Ones who are available right now?

I know of one who comes close... another Rocket Scientist with 30 years defence experience. But she's Intersexed in an unusual way, and "transitioned" from looking male to looking female just as Ms Simpson did.


This another example of your shameless self-promotion in action Zoe?

If you weren't so obsessed with patrolling the internet looking for opportunities to spread your TG ideology, you might get your Ph.D finished - one day!

Meantime you get about as close to Amanda Simpson as I do: Oceans apart.

Zoe Brain said...

I agree. I'm an unabashed neocon, for one thing, not a Leftie like her.

Also nowhere near her in terms of accomplishment on Human Rights issues. No YWCA award for me, I've done nothing to deserve it.

But actually I was referring to a US citizen I know. She's Deep Stealth though, and one of the 47XXYs that transition in the usual way.

I of course would be disqualified, I'm not a US citizen, nor have any desire to be.

Zoe Brain said...

Southern Man - you do misunderstand. I can't see how "large numbers of this minority would be particularly well qualified" becomes interpreted as "only members of this minority can be well qualified."

Anonymous said...

People are people and one day when you are judged to be different, odd or obsolete imagine the irony you'll feel being on the other end of the stick dear Notorious Nick (and others who judge here). What if this person were truly related to you? Would you really be ridiculing them - publicly flogging them with a tongue lashing? Does it make you feel superior? No, no, it just won't do; I'm sure on Judgement Day they'll make the example of you. I believe in truth, justice, and the American way and hurting people, no matter how different they are is not part of that.

Notorious Nick said...

First, I don't think I am really "publicly flogging" anyone. Second, if I was related to this person, absolutely I would disapprove, and let them know exactly how I felt. My approach? Love the sinner, not the sin.

As far as judgement day, I suppose we will see who was right, when God sorts it all out.

Leigh said...

Question for you Nick if I may.

Have you always felt this way?

Two part question. I assume that 20+ years ago you had read somewhere about people like Christine Jorgensen for example. Did you consider back then a medical causation and a legitimate need for surgery among some individuals? Please answer the question based on what you knew then and how you felt about it at the time.

Second part. If your views have changed since, what has caused you to change your mind?

Just Jennifer said...

Nick, I am curious. Can you cite specific passages from the Bible that show that being a true transsexual (i.e. someone who is born with the medical condition of transsexualism) is a sinner if they seek treatment? Or are you just imposing your own views on God?

Notorious Nick said...

Jennifer, as a curious person, surely you know that term transsexual was never used, as it was not defined so long ago. However, the bible is clear on several points.

1. The Bible is clear it is a sin because God created gender, giving males & females unique, vital & distinct identities & roles.
a. Creation of gender, Gen. 1:27.
b. Gender differences requires for reproduction of the human race, Gen. 1:28.
c. God blessed gender differences as unique & vital, giving identity & defining roles, Gen. 2:18-22.
d. Nature teaches that transgender conduct is sinful, Rom. 1:26-27 (9:20-21).

2. Some of the effects of transgender behavior:
a. Disregards our God-given gender (and their differences), cf. Deut. 22:5; 1 Cor. 11:14-15.
b. Provides for & promotes the sin of homosexuality, Lev. 18:22; 20:13.
c. Shows evidence of discontent, lust, lack of self-control, self-defined living, Rom. 1:24.
d. Dishonors marriage & the home as ordained by God, Gen. 2:23-24; Heb. 13:4 (Eph. 6:2).

Furthermore, God knows gender before birth. We are not born with wrong gender (rare cases of “intersex”) - (Psa. 139:13-16)

If you are still curious, I can provide you with more.

Just Jennifer said...

Oh, and sorry Joann, but your arguments are the silliest load of heresy I have seen in some time. First off, there is no serious basis to equate eunuchs with those who are transgender. You MIGHT could stretch that to include transsexuals, but that would be quite a stretch. But trying to cover transgender is just plain silly. And that stuff about YHWH? I have to ask...did you make that up yourself? Clearly you have absolutely no understanding of Hebrew, or what that means. YHWH is the closest we can come in English to the Hebrew letters, minus vowels, that was given as the name of God. This was, for many years, rendered as Jehovah. In truth, no one knows how it would actually be pronounced. What the term means, translated, is I AM WHO I AM, or simply I AM. It speaks of God's eternal existence, both past and present. He has no beginning and no end. Simply put, God exists outside of time. This "he/she" silliness is just plain absurd.

Just Jennifer said...

"Jennifer, as a curious person, surely you know that term transsexual was never used, as it was not defined so long ago. However, the bible is clear on several points."

Yes, the term "transsexual" is relatively recent. But it is what we have to work with.

"1. The Bible is clear it is a sin because God created gender, giving males & females unique, vital & distinct identities & roles."

Okay, I won't argument that God created "gender" though I assume by that term you actually mean sex. But yes, He did create males and females as having different roles. But, keep in mind, this was before the Fall.


"a. Creation of gender, Gen. 1:27.
b. Gender differences requires for reproduction of the human race, Gen. 1:28.
c. God blessed gender differences as unique & vital, giving identity & defining roles, Gen. 2:18-22."

Yes, this is, as I point out, before the fall. Now, first we have to consider the fact that some are born with conditions that are generally known as intersex. That is, infants are born that are not clearly male or female. In some rare cases, they have both male and female features. This happens because we all start out in an undifferentiated state. If nothing happens to intervene, the child will become a female. What intervenes is the release of male hormones, which cause the development of male organs and the development of a male brain. You see, our "identities" as male and female are as much of a our biology as our bodies. In rare cases, something goes wrong, and things don't develop as they should. In a very extreme case, you can have what is called an XY female. The chromosomes are XY, but the body (with the exception of the internal organs) is completely female. And such a person tends to have a very feminine personality because they are completely insensitve to the effects of testosterone. Other factors can interfere and lead to other variations of sexual development as mentioned earlier. Now, the point where the brain is sexually differentiated is later than when the body is differentiated. If something interferes at the point where the brain is being sexually differentiated, you get a transsexual. Such a person literally has a brain that is sexually differentiated at odds with the body. And nothing in modern medicine can change the wiring of the brain.

Just Jennifer said...

The second half...

"d. Nature teaches that transgender conduct is sinful, Rom. 1:26-27 (9:20-21).

2. Some of the effects of transgender behavior:
a. Disregards our God-given gender (and their differences), cf. Deut. 22:5; 1 Cor. 11:14-15.
b. Provides for & promotes the sin of homosexuality, Lev. 18:22; 20:13.
c. Shows evidence of discontent, lust, lack of self-control, self-defined living, Rom. 1:24.
d. Dishonors marriage & the home as ordained by God, Gen. 2:23-24; Heb. 13:4 (Eph. 6:2)."

Now, I am not talking about "transgender" behavior, which is both behavior and is chosen. I am talking about people born with a relatively rare medical condition where their brain is literally at odds with their body. They are not wired, so to speak, to function as a male, or as a female in the case of FTMs.

"Furthermore, God knows gender before birth. We are not born with wrong gender (rare cases of “intersex”) - (Psa. 139:13-16)"

Yes, and transsexualism (not transgender is a form of the broader category that includes intersex that is called variations or disorders of sexual development.

So, we have something that is not a choice, that by your own standards must be known to God before birth, and which causes great suffering for the individual. Now, such cases are far rarer than so-called "transgender," which is an artificial social/political construct that I concede tries to justify certain behaviors.

How can medical procedures that alleviate real suffering, and improve the lives and functioning of someone, be "sin?"

"If you are still curious, I can provide you with more."

Go ahead...

Notorious Nick said...

Jennifer, I think we have gone about as far as we can go with this discussion, as you will never convince me, nor I you. Additionally, Bible thumping does little to convince someone looking to differently interpret each presented verse. But, I do appreciate the good spirited debate. And, as I did promise to provide you with more Biblical references, here you are:

Gender created & assigned at birth
(Gen. 1:27; 1 Cor. 11:12)

Gender identity from birth
(cf. Gen. 4:1, “male”)

Gender differences to be honored & maintained
(Deut. 22:5; 1 Cor. 11:14)

Gender roles defined by God; all to honor
(1 Cor. 11:3)

We must uphold the honor & distinction of male & female; not destroy it by the lusts, longings & lewdness of men (Rom. 13:11-14).

Just Jennifer said...

Nick, I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am just asking you to understand that things are not as simple as some would make them. Again, I do not seek to defend so-called "transgender" behavior as I admit, I cannot. I am talking about people born with a medical condition that is not of our choice, and which we often struggled against for years. In my case, after years of fighting against who I was, I gave in and accepted being a woman, and now I am much closer to God. He loves me as I am, and was not seeking to force me to be something I was not. But I agree, those who try to be something they are not are going against God, and it so often shows so clearly.

Battybattybats said...

Arguments based on one religion are meaningless in a country with religious liberty as they only cover one religion of many.

Besides just as with heliocentrism if science shows that measurable reality differs from our understanding of scripture then the fault is with our understanding of scripture or it invalidates the scripture.

Assuming Copernicus and Gallileo didn't therefore disprove the bible long ago then just like before our interpretation of scripture will have to shift to deal with the facts.

Cause after all the physical world is gods word too isn't it.

And sorry to the anti-transgender anti-homosexual transsexuals too but there's studies showing brain differences of gays and lesbians too. The studies showing evidence of a biological causation of transsexuals didn't use solely 'classic' transsexuals for their data did they.

So just like having to deal with an earth that moves around the sun there's a lot of folk here who have to deal with the measurable real physical (and therfore God-created) scientific evidence.

Zoe Brain said...

Scripture and Interpretation:

Gender created & assigned at birth
(Gen. 1:27; 1 Cor. 11:12)

Gender identity from birth
(cf. Gen. 4:1, “male”)

Reality:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.gender.id/

They are protogyneous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodites, one of the more spectacular intersex conditions. They change sex from female to male. That over-simplifies, there are degrees, some need surgical intervention while others don't, some have female gender identities so become effectively transsexual - women with male bodies, some have almost imperceptible masculinisation, some alreadt look quite male at birth etc etc etc.

But the not too inaccurate soundbyte is that they (or some of them anyway) get a "natural sex change".

There are 4 possibilities:
1. Sex is mutable.
2. Sex is set at birth and is immutable. They're "really" girls, even though some can father children.
3. Sex is set at birth, and is immutable. But they're "really" boys, as appearances at birth can be deceptive.
4. Sex is set at birth, but whether they are "really" girls or boys depends on factors other than appearance.

The anatomical evidence strongly favours no 4.

But this implies that transsexuals are the sex they claim to be, regardless of their appearance at birth too. Sex is set by neuro-anatomy, not external appearance or chromosomes.

Anonymous said...

Oh please, now you have trannies trying to claim and promote their self justification and self existence. What's even worse is that some of these infamous women wannabes are now going to pull the intersex card to justify their existence.

The fact is none of these women wannabes are really men because they are essentially born men using their male privilege, male power and male upbringing and forcing society to accept their warped logic and warped thinking .

As an true intersex person and a true hermaphrodite, Intersex people are not transgender in no way shape or form. Their is a huge world of difference between intersex and transgender. The difference is between DNA/Genetics and what they are thinking. The trannies in here are clearly confusing biology, and psychology with social engineering. Intersex people do not have GID and Intersex is a DNA/Genetic medical condition. While the trannies in here are more of a psychological and mental health issue

As for Zoe Brain, Zoe is not an intersex person and Zoe dose not have 47xxy. Zoe Brain was Alan Brain and Zoe has a UK male birth certificate, which you can get a copy online. Zoe brain is a transsexual who is a man pretending to be an intersex person and is going around online coning people and passing off as an intersex person. Zoe Brain is like most trannies in here and they are "The world's ugliest man wishing to be the world's ugliest woman".

Battybattybats said...

Anonymous, please quote the scientific study that disproves any biological causation for transgender... oh there isn't one? But there are genetic links to transsexuals found? And cross-sexed neurology found in autopsied transgender brains?

Oh dear. That would make you wrong then wouldn't it?

It's just like the now laughable priest refusing to look through Gallileo's telescope. The science is there. It's measured reality. Ignoring reality, measured and recorded reality, isn't just stupid but embarassingly stupid. I thought the lefties were suppossed to be the 'moonbats' believing things with no evidence. But it seems the Conservatives are becoming the ones now believing in baseless stories of bat-people living on the moon, or in this case that there's no biologogical cause of transgender despite the genes found and despite the FMRI scans and despite the autopsies etc. The science is there. Just like the earth revolves around the sun.

Hey, disprove the science with better science if you can. You might get the Nobel prize for that. But ignoring reality is crazy. Are conservatives the new reality-ignoring credulous moon-bat believers? Or can they deal with measured reality?

Anonymous said...

Here's proof for;
Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure
http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/full/155/suppl_1/S107
As for the study, the brain dose not change no matter how many hormones you pump into the body. The brain size stays the same.

At the moment, their is no genetic DNA link for transsexuality because all the studies are proven to be inconclusive and not proven enough to change all the science textbooks.

Also the brain study was disproven and made invalid because researchers decided to place an elderly MTF who was hanged himself and was found 3 days later. When they placed an outside research subject such as the elderly MTF into a controlled research group. They invalidated the whole study by violating one of their research rules of placing and outside subject into a controlled group

Zoe Brain said...

Nicky - why do you keep making stuff up?

You know that that study you repeat is about gross brain size, not about (for example) the number of neurons of each type in each structure. It even says so in the title.

There's not one "brain study", there's hundreds. I don't know where you get the story about an "outside research subject" - whatever that means - from, it's certainly not in any of the scientific papers.

You just make up things, often things easily disproven. Like my birth certificate being online. When confronted with the disproof, you just repeat them again. Why?

Zoe Brain said...

Oh and Nicky - while those with Kallman's syndrome are IS, in no way, shape or form are you a "hermaphrodite", true or otherwise. That appellation's reserved for those with Persistant Mullerian Duct Syndrome, or atypical mixed gonadal dysgenesis. Again, easily checked.

Please get some professional help.

Zoe Brain said...

I note that this has been picked up by Free Republic, at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2421456/posts

I'm still waiting to hear any actual facts in that thread. Lots of opinions, but no arguments, just bald statements. "Just because".

The one I really like us this one:
"Why is surgery to make the body conform to the mind acceptable, but psychological treatment to make the mind conform to the body unacceptable?"

Short answer: because it doesn't work. There's hundreds of papers on the subject. Not one success in long-term follow-up. Now while you can, through sufficient use of electric shocks to eyeballs and genitals, get anyone to say anything just to make it stop, 5 years later the "treatment" has worn off.

If I was allowed to post there - Intersexed people are banned because they're Intersexed - I'd ask the poster if there was any conceivable therapy that would convince them that they were female.

There isn't - because sex is a matter of neuro-anatomy, not opinion or belief.

Battybattybats said...

Intersex people are banned from Free Republic?

Not so Free then huh. Banning people for a birth condition? Thats truly pathetic.

Zoe Brain said...

His site, his rules. I have no cause for complaint. If many of his loyal fans who pay $$$ every month to him want me gone, and I pay diddly-squat, what else should he do?

BBB, we're both commenting on a site called "Notoriously Conservative". We've both expressed deep disagreement with the site owner's views. Yet we're still allowed to post.

Think we'd get the same treatment at a site called "Notoriously Liberal" if we contradicted the Party Line, *especially* if we did so with logical arguments, facts, URLs?

That is why I see myself as being on the Right. Even if it means knocking heads with (literal) flat-earthers, young earth creationists, and people who don't believe in this "heliocentric" nonsense.

The Left talks big about Diversity and Tolerance. The Right doesn't - it's just diverse and tolerant without making a big song and dance about it. There's overt Racism, but less in total than the covert Racism on the Left. There's more respect for actual evidence rather than empty rhetoric.

For smug, self-righteous sanctimony, nothing, not the most pig-ignorant platygean Fundie Bible-Thumping Evangelist, beats the liberal "progressive" who *knows* that they're right, and is impervious to mere facts.

Anonymous said...

Zoe, Your an idiot and No one ever believes your an intersex person. Your Intersex wannabe and a transsexual in deep denial. Your basically "The World's ugliest man wishing to be the world's Ugliest woman"

Your not an Intersex person and you never were a natural intersex person. You never had 17 BHDD or 5ARD. You don't have a natural intersex condition and you never had a natural sex change. You lied through your teeth and your such a pathetic conn artist that it's no wonder why you can't get your facts straight. You can't even get the fact that Transsexuality exist and your one of them.

Even here's a fact that people can understand, Zoe Brain takes a drug in Australia that is used for Registered sex offenders and as a result of of Zoe brain taking Androcor, Zoe brain is listed as a Registered sex offender in Australia.

Even Kailana S Alaniz knows your such a pathetic liar and not even an intersex person. You are doing more damage to the intersex people and you have been exposed by Kailana S Alaniz a true intersex person as an intersex wannabe.

Face it Zoe, for someone who spends online way too much prowling the internet and posting all your transgender crap. you really don't have a LIFE. You really need to GET A LIFE and you really need to step away from the Computer and seek professional HELP.

Oh and for someone who claims to be a PH.D student, you must be spending way too much time posting your transgender crap instead of working on your so called PH.D. I think you really don't have a life and you really are such a pathetic loser.

It's no wonder why Feminist and FAB women don't like you. They don't even recognize you as a woman. That's why no Feminist or FAB will ever call you a woman because your to ugly and to messed up to be called one.

Anonymous said...

Zoe,
you are in no way shape or form an Intersex person. You do not have 17BHDD or 5ARD. Again Zoe, you are a transsexual in deep denial and frankly ZOE, you are an INTERSEX WANNABE. Your an Intersex fake and you are one of the biggest intersex fakes ever. The fact is Zoe, you are a pathological liar and you Lies are going to get you into deep trouble and everyone is wising up to all your lies.

So go and seek Professional HELP because you need it.

Notorious Nick said...

Guys, please keep the insults out of the discussion. If you post insults, I will delete them. If anyone finds a comment offensive, let me know, and I will review it. Leave the name calling in grade school, we are all adults.

Zoe Brain said...

Notorious Nick - Nicky has been stalking me for years, as well as other IS people. He's managed to get banned from every Intersex support site I know of, plus the US Coast Guard and several Firefighting sites. You can see why. It doesn't bother me, after the first few posts it's obvious to readers that he has ... eccentric .. views.

He does sometimes raise some useful issues though. He's intelligent, just, well, differently sane.

One of the things OII (Organisation Intersex International) Australia has been trying to get reformed is the Cyproterone Acetate situation. Many IS and TS people have to take this drug for health reasons (it suppresses Follicular Stimulating Hormone and Lutinising Hormone production, and its breakdown products include progestogens, useful hormones in their own right).

It's used in treating prostatic cancer patients, in regulating chaotic hormonal conditions in women, and also... to reduce sex drive in sex offenders.

The actual diagnostic codes:
1014 Advanced carcinoma of the prostate;
1404 To reduce drive in sexual deviations in males;
1230 Moderate to severe androgenisation in non-pregnant women (acne alone is not a sufficient indication of androgenisation);

If you're not diagnosed with prostatic cancer, and not legally female, then the only way to get this drug is to be put on a register of users of it - originally a list designed to keep track of sex offenders who had volunteered for chemical castration in return for a reduced sentence. Now that group's less than 10% of the total on the list, making it useless for law enforcement purposes.

For a 2 month period, before my legal sex was changed to match the actual biological sex as determined by a battery of medical tests, I had to take this stuff for my own health. So was put on the register. Once on, never off. One week I'm being treated for code 1404, "reduction of sex drive in deviant males", the next for 1230,"severe androgenisation of a non-pregnant woman".

See http://oiiaustralia.com/intersex-australians-sex-offenders-register/

So he's factually correct in this area. My name - and the name of every other Australian who's intersexed and requires FSH or LH suppression - is on a list of sex offenders. One of the less wonderful aspects of our universal health system, and one we're trying to get changed.

The details are on my blog at http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/10/actually-this-is-true.html
You'll see from the comments that Nick Chaleunphone is there. My blog is one of the few places that doesn't ban him.

I have this silly commitment to freedom of speech - that falsehood should be fought not by silencing it, but by publishing the truth. And that the test of commitment to this principle is when you are confronted with something that is false, hateful, and downright insane - and publish it anyway. A lot of those at Free Republic do, after all, consider what I write to be false, hateful, and downright insane.

Anonymous said...

ZOE, Give it up, Your not an Intersex person. Your a transsexual in Deep denial. You never had 5ARD or 17BHDD. You never had a natural intersex condition and you had a sex change surgery in Thailand. You Take a drug which classify you as a registered sex offender.

Here's more proof of Zoe's Lies and conning of people.
Here are the Evidence I present to you on Alan Brain AKA A.E Brain AKA Zoe Brain

Your Anu picture shows some interesting photoshop or FFS changes, most likely photoshop.
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Zoe.Brain/
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/09/diamond-in-hawaii.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20040621055420/www.softimp.com.au/alan.html

Here’s is evidence of Zoe getting a beat down by Kailana S. Alanaiz, who I regard is a far better expert on the intersex community than Zoe brain

http://letters.mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/07/07/xx_xy/view/index11.html

Here is an example of Zoe sprouting the lies of spontaneous intersex

http://svforbes.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/02/1633062-a-british-man-is-begging-medical-experts-for-help-after-he-started-turning-into-a-woman

Here’s links to where Zoe’s name pops up on the internet

http://www.bilerico.com/2008/05/what_would_you_do_if_this_was_your_child.php#comment-120709

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/15/caster-semanya/#comment-825571

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/15/caster-semanya/#comment-825672

http://tgnonsense.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/on-fear-and-hate/

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/print/1462/intersex-case-studies#comment-17105

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/09/semenyas-performance-advantage-moot.html?showComment=1253537942036#c4230290987564177001

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/16/what-makes-people-gay-once-more-with-feeling/#comment-20403

And Finally here are a good example of comments other people are saying about Zoe Brain and check out the links in the comment as well.

http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/10/14/alien-abductions-and-claims-of-improbable/#comment-2138

Anonymous said...

Hello Zoe,

I see you are now claiming there are hundreds, possibly thousands of people in the UK who spontaneously change sex.

I have a one word answer to that statement, “BULLSHIT”.

Using the comments section in a newspaper in an article covering the murder of a woman to post trannier than thou nonsense, is out of line.

Also 5 alpha is not a spontaneous sex change. I hope you never meet someone with 5 alpha as they will not be to understanding about your comments.

As a matter of interest are you still on the anti-cholesterol tablets? In some people they can cause no testesterone to be produced. Just add hormones.

You did not have a spontaneous sex change. You had to have surgery.

Your comment in that newspaper.
————————————
I’m Intersexed rather than Transsexual (technically anyway). One of the conditions where your apparent sex at birth changes later in life – rare, but more common than you’d think. Maybe a thousand like that in the UK, certainly quite a few hundred.

A survey in the North East states of the USA showed 40% of TS people were unemployed, 25% in part time employment, and only 35% in fulltime work. But the ones in fulltime work earned less that 8,000 pounds a year on average.

I finish my PhD in computer science in about a year. I have no idea if I’ll ever get paid work again.

I’m not TS, so I can’t get my UK Birth Certificate saying “boy” changed. Yet my UK passport says ‘F’, because of medical reality. Try explaining that to a prospective employer. Even getting a job flipping burgers or delivering pizzas with something like that on your record may well be an impossible dream.
- Zoe Brain, Canberra, Australia, 18/10/2009 15:40
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221080/Woman-dead-burned-flat-sex-worker.html

Anonymous said...

Zoe,

I forgot, you were also on androcor.

Androcor and estrogen together will feminise the body. There is no need for anything else.

Also you have fathered a child, so was functional, unlike m,ost intersex people

Anonymous said...

Here's More proof that Zoe is lying about being an Intersex person and being a transsexual in deep denial

Here is just some of the links that pop up regarding you.

http://letters.mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/07/07/xx_xy/view/index11.html

http://www.backtype.com/url/aebrain.blogspot.com/comment/00000653003247138988569810e1faae

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:zoebrain/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

http://lezgetreal.com/?p=8205

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Zoe.Brain/

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Zoe.Brain/is_ts_hr.html

http://dynamic.boingboing.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-cp.cgi?__mode=feed&_type=actions&blog_id=1&id=119909

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/zoe-brain/0/91/230

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Zoe_Brain

http://twitter.com/paper_brain

http://www.opposingviews.com/users/zoe-brain#

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/AOBUVGNP0B491¨

http://anu.academia.edu/ZoeBrain

http://www.facebook.com/srch.php?nm=zoe+brain#/Zoe.of.Oz?hiq=zoe%2Cbrain&ref=search

http://oiiaustralia.com/zoe-brains-brain-gender-identity-reference-list/

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=42124

http://forum.keypublishing.com/member.php?u=19728

http://www.123people.co.uk/s/zoe+brain

http://www.transadvocate.com/legal-wtf-moment.htm

http://www.topix.com/member/profile/zoebrain

http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/17/culture-crash/

http://www.backtype.com/ZoeB/comment/00010600a444cc0a67292500d5f86a37

Anonymous said...

You were never a severely andorgenised female or an undervirolised male. I have seen your picture.

You claim you were not able to pass as male anymore. BULLSHIT.

Even after FFS it is still possible for people to pass as male.

Your Anu picture shows some interesting photoshop or FFS changes, most likely photoshop.
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Zoe.Brain/
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/09/diamond-in-hawaii.html

Here is a link were some genuine intersex people take you to task for your bigotry and attempted assimilation of intersex conditions.

http://letters.mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/07/07/xx_xy/view/index11.html

In plain language you are lying.

There is no reason to be put on androcor to stabilise LH and FSH levels. That is nonsense.

Now you are tying to drag Milton Diamond into it. You are in Australia, he is in Hawaii. Did you fly to him for therapy? You need to see a shrink about your delusions. You should have a phone book, use it.

I am sceptical for a reason. I know a lot about intersex. You are lying through your teeth.

you are a liar and a deluded liar at that.

You went on the Daily Mail website spouting that there is thousands of spontaneous sex changes in the United Kingdom, yet at this link you say there is less than 20 worldwide.
http://svforbes.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/02/1633062-a-british-man-is-begging-medical-experts-for-help-after-he-started-turning-into-a-woman

On this link you aparently have Benjamin’s syndrome, as well as being a neocon.
http://newsbusters.org/bios/zoe-brain.html

You did not have a spontaneous sex change.

You had cross sex hormones.

You had Androcor to lower your testesterone levels. It is the wrong drug for LH and FSH if you have low testesterone levels.

You claimed you started to feminise 3 months before starting to take androcor. If you were spontaneously feminising, what would you need androcor and estrogen for?

The answer is, you are lying and you were taking it to reduce testesterone levels.

Low testesterone levels would contraindicate androcor. You knew full well you were going on a sex offenders register, if you took androcor. So why did you take it, unless you had normal male testesterone levels?

Your constant use of intersex narratives in typing diarrhrea on your keyboard, on the subject of intersex is bloody annoying. Here you are again.
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Profile?oid=1166860

You have had sex reasignment surgery. You had two testicles and a penis. Your testicles were cut of. Your penis was sliced open. You had bits cut out of your penis. Your penis was rearranged a lot and basically turned inside out. Then that inverted penis was put into a hole that a surgeon carved with a scalpel.

You fathered a child. You were a fuctional male. That is close to impossible for the majority of intersex people.

I see your rantings are everywhere on the internet.

Google actually autofills your name.

You obviously could not have a job, as you must be online making comments about 8 hours a day.

Do you have a job?

If so, do you sleep?

Have you ever actually did anything since transition, apart from type deranged, idiotic, imbecilic nonsense, on the internet?

Notorious Nick said...

Battybattybats,

You'll notice I deleted your last comment. If I wanted a lecture, I'd call my Mother. As I said before, be kind, and keep the insults to yourself. I'm not defending anyone in particular, I just don't want profane language or insults.

Battybattybats said...

Notorious Nick, I just thought you mightn't have realised the word shemale is 'profane language or insult' to many. It's not my beef anyway as the word didn't offend me personally.

What about the questions i asked though?

If people do the job well what would be the problem with crossdressers in the workplace?

Notorious Nick said...

There wouldn't be a problem. But I find it terribly difficult to believe that his/her gender didn't play a part in his/her appointment. There have to be dozens, even hundereds of people more or equally qualified, so something had to set him/her apart, something that would make a political statement. I don't think appointments should be used for political statements, they shoulr be used to surround yourseld with the very best people. I could be wrong, but it certainly appears that way.

Battybattybats said...

What leads you to believe that her gender had anything to do with it?

How do you know or what makes you suspect she's not the best qualified best suited person for the job?

Does it just seem unlikely that a transgender person could be the best person for the job or is there anything more that leads you to this suspicion?

Anonymous said...

Just think of it like this, Almost everyone plays the cards they are given in life. Zoe for example likes to bluff and con people by playing the so called intersex card. For which Zoe dose no have and Zoe has no proof to the claim.

Much to the that god awful MTF-F is playing the Trannie card because That world's ugliest man wishing to be the world's ugliest woman is playing the trannie card and forcing society to accept his mental illness, all while using his male upbringing, male power and male privilege.

Battybattybats said...

It's Ad Hominem, a classical logical fallacy, to try and attack a persons argument by attacking the person making it. It's a kind of deception, a kind of lying, as it doesn't really disprove the argument at all but just tries to trick the audience into thinking it does.

And the problem of someone having to be registered as a sex offender in order to legally obtain the drug Androcur in australia even when they have comitted no crime and are not even alleged to have comitted any is a problem recognised by the Human Rightas and Equal Opportunities Comission, now renamed the Australian Human Rights Comission, which is an Australian Government body, is a shame of the Australian Government, not the people treated unjustly by this policy. So to try and use it as an attack on someones character is also deceptive.

So can we now return to discussing the subject of the appointment of Amanda now?

Anonymous said...

If you read the facts, Zoe is not an Intersex person as Zoe would like to claim. Zoe is a Transsexual and Zoe is a male transsexual. Zoe has a UK male Birth certificate and was married to a woman under the Name Alan Brain and has a UK marriage certificate to boot. Look it up on Google because you can see the difference between Zoe Brain and Alan Brain.

Also, Zoe Takes Androcur and the only way Zoe can Take that drug is to Either be a convicted sex offender or have a very narrow list of approved conditions such as prostate cancer, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), acne or male pattern baldness. So as a result, Zoe dose not have prostate cancer, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), acne ,male pattern baldness and to take Androcur, Zoe has to be placed on the Australian Sex offender Registry for LIFE.

Zoe takes Androcur, because Zoe is a MTF transsexual who is trying to lower his testosterone levels. Yes, Zoe is a Transsexual and was never and intersex person. No Known Intersex person that I know of have ever taken Androcur because an intersex person by default dose not have any hormones or the capability to make hormones on their own.

Also a dead give away about Zoe, is that Zoe Fathered a child. Yes, Zoe Brain has fathered a child and for Zoe to claim intersex and father a child, is pure (Bullshit). The reason is because it is next to impossible for Intersex person to father a child and for Zoe to claim being intersex and fathered a child, is a pure lie.

That's why Zoe is not an Intersex person to begin with and Zoe's claims of being an intersex person is pure bull. Look up the info and look up the truth about Zoe, because Zoe is lying through his teeth about being intersex. Zoe is a pathological liar who lies so much that people are conned to believing the lies. Zoe just likes to spin a good story and make it sound believable.

Anonymous said...

As for Zoe, Zoe has been kicked out of every intersex group for posting his transsexaul dogma and his transgender crap in to the intersex people. Zoe has gotten a beat down from other Intersex people because Zoe has been trying to push Transgender people with the intersex and Intersex people do not want that. Zoe has gotten his butt kicked in BLO( Bodies like ours) group because Zoe keeps pushing the Transgender subset dogma.

Battybattybats said...

Anonymous... facts would be nice.

In Australia convictions are part of the public record.. what sex offences was Zoe Brain convicted of?

And Intersex people can produce no hormones of any sort whatsoever? So an Intersex person for example would never have breasts, never have any form of puberty, their thyroid gland does nothing, their pituitary is inactive and there's no point in the bungee jumping parachuting or playing extreme sports either because even Adrenaline is a hormone.

Anonymous can you site evidence for these extraordinary claims?

Anonymous said...

As I have said, Zoe is on the Australian Sex offender Registry because the drug that Zoe takes is only given for Prostate cancer, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), acne ,male pattern baldness or to reduce your sex drive and libido for sexual offenders..

See Zoe dose not have prostate cancer, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), acne, male pattern baldness or Moderate to severe androgenisation in non-pregnant women. So since Zoe doesn't qualify under those conditions to take the meds legally. In Australia, to take the meds to lower ones Testosterone, one has to be registered as a Sex offender and once you take Cyproterone Acetate AKA Androcur, you are placed on the Australian Sex offender registry for LIFE.

As far as I am concerned, Zoe is not an Intersex person. Zoe never had 17BHDD or 5ARD. Zoe was never a naturally intersex person. Zoe never had a natural sex change because Zoe went to Thailand to have a SRS. Zoe Brain was a member of Various Transgender Yahoo Groups and you can look them up as well. Zoe never had Moderate to severe androgenisation in non-pregnant women because Zoe was and still is a MAN. The fact is Zoe is a Transsexual who is denying the existence and plagiarizing an intersex person's life history. So basically, Zoe is a transsexual registered Sex offender In Australia because Zoe is taking a drug that is only for Prostate cancer, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), acne ,male pattern baldness or to reduce your sex drive and libido for sexual offenders.

http://thedawnchorus.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/intersex-australians-classified-under-sexual-deviant/

http://oiiaustralia.com/intersex-australians-sex-offenders-register/

http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091018.6873/quick-hit-want-androcur-join-the-sex-offender-registry/

Battybattybats said...

Anonymous, you provide links that refute or harm your own argument. Quoting from the second link:

"intersex people that identify as female might take anti-androgen medication to help with hormone imbalances "

So much for Intersex people not having hormones. So much for androcur not being used for Intersex people. So much for Zoe taking androcur being evidence for her not being Intersex.

The article then continues mentioning the practice of Doctors LYING to get their patients Androcur by FALSELY labelling them as sex offenders and the INJUSTICE of that false label.

"if you need an anti-androgen in Australia – and can’t afford a non-subsidised prescription – your doctor has probably had to get a little inventive with the prescription and classify you as a ’sexual deviant’. What’s in a label, right? Well, if you are classified as a ’sexual deviant’ and prescribed this medication then the Therapeutic Goods Administration will put you on their list of possible sex offenders. That’s right. In Australia we like to classify intersex and trans women as possible sex offenders. It can’t just be argued away as a bureaucratic list. It’s dehumanising for people who already have enough trouble being treated as human beings."

Your links make a great case for whats wrong with the Australian medical system and it's injustice towards Intersex and transsexual patients. These people have comitted no crimes to be on that list.

If your trying to paint Zoe as a liar you've shown yourself to be deliberately deceptive and trying to fool people.. and doing so very badly. The only person your proving anything about is yourself.

Zoe Brain said...

*Sigh* Sorry to inflict this cyberstalker on you.

OK, some facts:

I was diagnosed as biologically female 2 months after starting Androcur, based on tests conducted months before. "More female than male" would be closer, I'm IS, but the medical records insist on one or the other.

As regards the "myth" of me seeing Milton Diamond - he took pictures of us together. They're on my blog - http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/09/diamond-in-hawaii.html.
There's these things called "aircraft" you see, with "flights" to Hawai'i, and Prof D. had the opportunity of seeing 3 with this syndrome together - one's a grad student of his.

As regards the pictures during my change being photoshopped - there are eyewitnesses too. Something like this doesn't exactly pass un-noticed.

My username on BLO is A to Z. I'm still there. Nicky isn't. See http://www.bodieslikeours.org/forums/showpost.php?p=22458&postcount=6

I've never claimed to have 5ARD or 17BHDD. I have a syndrome *like* those, the way a broken arm is *like* a broken leg.

See http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.gender.id/index.html for what 17BHDD does.

Expect a paper on this cluster of cases from Prof D. in the future - he studied it in 1999 but has yet to write it up. We had a good talk about it while I was there with him.

Sorry I have to issue all the corrections - Nicky has quite a collection of refuted articles from sceptics that he just repeatedly pastes. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, re Ms Simpson's appointment etc.

I would recommend that you look through some of the posts he mentioned. There's a lot of informative stuff there about the issue.

Zoe Brain said...

NotoriousNick - "There have to be dozens, even hundereds of people more or equally qualified.."

Nope. There's maybe a hundred with degrees in Physics and Engineering who are also test pilots. The Astronaut Corps is composed of them.

But I know of only one other who has those and a degree in Business Administration too, and even she didn't have a senior post in defence R&D. I'm in the business, there just aren't that many Rocket Scientists in the world. Even rarer than TS or IS people.

Just finding people who have a current clearance to the levels needed is hard enough.

Anonymous said...

Zoe, your an asshole. Your a LOSER and a LIAR. You lied so much that it's no wonder why you can't tell from fact to Fiction.

It's no wonder why Feminist don't like you and it's no wonder why FAB feminist and Biological woman would never call you a WOMAN. Your basically a man trying to be an Ugly woman and you Failed so miserably. So no your going around and lying to people about being intersex so people don't see the lies that your a Transsexual and a registered Sex offender as well. That's why you Don't have any friends in the intersex community because they booted your freaking butt out. Your just a Man who wants everything and wants to be called a woman, but you can't because you will never be a woman and not even a Biological woman.

So why don't you do the world a big favor and go back in the closet and Lock the door behind you and DON'T come out. Your LIES are harming people and Who knows how many lies have you caused the harm of others. Your such a Pathological LIAR and NO one believes your an Intersex.

Even Kailana S. Alaniz doesn't believe you as an Intersex person. That's why you could not pass off as an Intersex person because you could not even get pass Kailana S. Alaniz. Oh and you know what, At least Kailana S Alaniz is a far better expert on the Intersex community than you. She knows far more than you and Knows that your not an Intersex person because you take Androcur. That's why Kailana has done more things for the intersex and Even gone on National Geographic than you.

You Zoe are basically an Intersex wannabe and an intersex FAKE. Your will never be recognize as an intersex person and no intersex group I know of in the USA will ever recognize you as an Intersex person. You are basically a FRAUD, a LIAR, You've been caught lying and your still continue to LIE. Your whole Life is basically one HUGE LIE after another.

So Zoe, Get some professional Help before one of your Lies cause the harm of others or cause the harm of their careers. Your a FRAUD, a LIAR, a Pathological LIAR, A Con Artist and your are basically far worse than Bernie Madoff.

Anonymous said...

Here are Examples of Zoe getting a Beat Down by a Real Intersex person by the Name of Kailana Sidrandi Alaniz

hello all commenters. This is Me and yes one and only Kailana Sidrandi Alaniz. Intersex True-Hermaphrodite XY/XO w/CAH.

First of all I want you all to know, that I really do appreciate Gerald Callahan's interest in getting subjuect volunteers to contribute to his book.

I use no pen names. I am an open book, but like most of my life, what you read about me was heavily edited. Basically a great deal of the surgeries I have had were Redacted out of what did make it into the book.

1st of all. I was born Dorothy Maree Alaniz, thought to be an ambigous girl with CAH. My original birth certificate does exist but like most things sealed. 26 days after my birth I was on paper given a Male sex Marker. I was 5 months old, when my laparoscopy was done, ie middle of March 1971, 16th or 17th, not exactly sure as that is one of my many medical records that once reviewed was still in my local childhood records but was redacted when I paid for personal copies of my records. I know I had several surgeries early in life, but the only one I am honestly aware of is at 18 months of age. I have a picture of me in the hospital, sitting on a bed, which my father says is me and it does look like me but considering how few baby pictures I have does look alot like my picture of me at 2 1/2. I do know of other surgeries, living with scar all the way across my chest as a kid wasnt so easy, and that is amazing cause its really not that bad, and now at 38 barely noticable. Now at 18 years of age during surgery to remove a patch of pilonidol cysts/synus's over my tailbone I had my chest ie Gynocomastia Reduced. Basically my man boobs were scraped away, so also at 38 years of age, I still have scars left over from that surgery as well. What none of you nai-sayers understand is that Forced surgery without consent continues long into adulthood. I was 18 legally an adult and noone asked me if it was ok to do. they did it anyways, and like most of my life it happened again at 31 years of age, when my ovaries were moved. ligation and resection, which is also a common surgery for Intersexed true-hermaphrodites when ovaries are present and a male gender has been chosen

Anonymous said...

I do seriously hate the use of the word Transexual, and inthis book my use of the word Transsition. I was pretty sure I had wrote I am reassigning from an intersexed surgically assigned male to that of an intersexed surgically assigned female.

I like most, within the intersexed community, do not approve of the use of mixing Intersex and Transsexualism. They are two entirely different conditions, the first a medical condition the 2nd most often considered a psychological condition. Though that may be changing. I do not identify as a Transexual person. Because the good old HBS(Harry Benjamin Standards of Care) guidelines for meeting a transsexual diagnosis actually rules out anyone from meeting a transsexual Diagnosis when Intersexed medical conditions are present. They only acknowledge geneticly normal men and women with cross gender identification as being Transsexual.

Now Zoe Brain posted she is both Intersexed and Trans. She can do so if she chooses too. Most Intersexed want nothing to do with anyone assuming Transsexuality has anything to do with being born Intersexed, ie with an ambigous body. We in Intersexed community are fighting for our rights as human beings to self determine what we are. We fighting for acceptance to be left alone to find our own way in life. Please do not confuse Intersex and Transsexuality. Regardless of what genital normalizing surgeries we have been forced to have, none of us are Transexual. We are considered as the gender that we are assigned by use of surgery.

There are those in the Trans community who think Intersex are treated better then Transsexuals are. They are terribly misguided. They only see the requirements that they must follow to be approved for their surgeries. They do not see that we are consistently medical abused over and over again and sometimes just as rejected by family as they are.

Anonymous said...

Fact remains that many people are extremely judgemental when they have no understanding of what it means to be intersexed.

For Zoe Brain, whom I have argued with several times. Please do us all a favor and quit combining Intersex with Transsexuality. There are just as many studies proving that HRT is the reason for Brain developmental changes in Trans people as there are for the BCT region of the hypothalimus being of similar shape in Trans women as normal women. Fact those studies are estremely pathetic evidence.

If you are intersexed as you claim to be, then knock it off. All you are doing is allowing parents of intersex children to opt for surgeries to fix a problem so that they have kids who wont be trans, won't be gay, or lesbian or bi. Please stop posting information on Intersex groups whom you claim are transphobic.

Anonymous said...

Fact is we fear additional damage of the bigoted masses treating us with the same open hatred and assaults of the Trans community that those Transsexual are subjected too.

So is there fear. Yes. And you Zoe Brain and others like you are not helping anyone within the Intersexed community.

Fact remains that a Intersexed person who chooses to reject their surgically assigned gender faces far more difficulties then a trans man or trans women will ever have faced.

ISNA no longer exists. you can find some information at accordalliance.org they do have a good downloadable parents handbook. But also becarefull. Very few intersexed people like the Accord Alliance. They do promote the openness and sharing of medical histories, but they also are the orchestrators of the DSD terminology that most Intersexed people can't stand.

Again, Intersex has nothing to do with Transexuality.

Intersex Activists are fighing for Intersexed Rights not Transexual Rights. DO not assume that Intersex and Transsexuality are the same thing.

Posted by miriam from Bodieslikeours

But that totally ignores what intersex is about. TS sucks and IS sucks, but they are not the same. People with an intersex condition have different needs. First of all, many people with an intersex condition don't have gender issues and including TS in IS would make it even more difficult for those people to explain their condition to other people. And second, the shame and secrecy that surrounded intersex conditions may seem no big deal to the problems many TS-people have to face. But we should never say our kind of suffering is worse than another kind of suffering.

So please, dear men and women with a history of TS, don't hijack intersex. Give us the chance to change our situation without having to fight with people who may think IS is easier to explain to other people than TS.

me again: The Intersex rights movement needs no blurring of terminology or treatment. We have never needed to follow Transsexual Standards of Care, we have our own, and we are all-ready fighting for our rights over our bodies and do not want any of you making it harder for any of us to be who we are.

Anonymous said...

Zoe Brain Knock it off

not all 5 Ard or 17B type 3 change natural to males.

I so hate it when people make assumptions, facts are some do change how they chose to live due to natural hormone changes during puberty. Some also stay as girls, and marry as women. And I am so very tired of seeing people keep posting the same crap information about 5-Ard and 17Bhsd because not all of them do change their gender from that of girls. It is common for many to change to men, when puberty comes, but again. Many Also are happy as women.

I have watched the same documentaries you have, I have also been studying the same conditions you have, but for far far longer then you. You Zoe Brain love to repeat the information that supports your opinion on Intersex Brain developement which other research scientists have allready discounted as changes due directly to HRT that is hormone therapy causes brain mass changes to that of the desired sex of the patient, because of HRT that they take. Those studies directly contradict what you keep putting out as current information. The studies you post are older and poorly designed as they do not reference pre-HRT trans patients except for the one Elderly Male, which by itself contradicts/discredits their own study.

Now I am all for acceptance of trans men and women. Fact is I think many are stunningly beautiful attractive people. But I am getting real tired of seeing you continue to post the same information and then ignore just how inaccurate your claims are.

You used to post on many of the same Intersex support forums that I do. and now your gone, because you know as well as I know that what you push as accurate is a whole lot of nonsense that none within the Intersex Community wishes because we allready know exactly what is going tohappen if people like you keep pushing that Transsexuality is a subset of Intersexuality.

All intersex people will end up getting treated using Transsexuality standards of care and we have allready been fighting for our own rights over our own bodies that we were supposed to have allready gotten by the medical community, which turns out that once they assigned us a sex, through the use of surgery they forgot about and said , GOOD ENOUGH, NOW GO WE WANT NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOU, IF YOUR LIFE IS SCREWED IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT WE CUT YOU UP TO PIECES AND LEFT YOU TO ROT IN A BODY YOU WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE.

Now grow up and quit trying to push that Intersex has anything to do with Transsexuality.

We are intersexed, and apparently you are an Intersexed Wannabe. Which Is why you are not welcome in Intersexed Support Forums. Your views counter our own views and are detrimental to the Entire Intersexed Community.
-- Kailana Sidrandi Alaniz

Just Jennifer said...

Okay, first off, a lot of us get tired of Zoe's rather absurd claims. They sound more like fantasy than remotely reality.

But, I also get tired of the same attacks on the scientific evidence for a physical cause for transsexualism. Yes, there are studies that show that hormones can and do affect the brain. But the studies concerning the BCT region of the hypothalimus have included controls that show that hormones are not a factor with regards to what has been found.

A simple solution to the problems between those who are intersex, and those who are transsexual (though I prefer the term Harry Benjamin Syndrome) would be to simple recognize that both are part of a bigger classification that can be called variations of sexual development. The term intersex can be reserved specifically for genital variations and HBS can be reserved for those involving the brain. And all the crossdressers, and gender variants, and such can go off and call themselves "transgender" and leave the rest of us alone.

Battybattybats said...

Hey Just Jennifer... those studies you mention.. weren't they the ones that included a non-op transsexual on the positive side of the evidence which supports the predictions by those like exert Dr Dick Swaab that all gender diversity may have biological causation? Even the crossdressers? And don't forget the evidence already found of cross-sexed neurology in Gays and Lesbians!

The relational classification is up to the science. And like all things in science will change as we learn more. The evidence doesn't care about our wishes or our preferances or our concerns. It's just what is.

And when the same biological studies are done on the crossdressers only then will we know that they are not part of the same variations of sexual development, like mild Autism is still Autism even if the symptoms can be hard to detect and like Aspergers Syndrome is part of the Autism Spectrum even though it can be quite distinct.

The Rights issues are however profoundly interconnected, as all people must have access to all rights equally. Hence the Yogyakarta Principles http://www.yogyakartaprinciples.org/

The right of the Intersex child to be able to self-identify what their sex and/or gender should be and for any non-life-saving surgeries to be postponed till they are old enough that can make their own informed personal decision is the exact same right for a transgender child to do the same and have access to puberty-delaying drugs so that permanant body changes won't be forced on them until they too are old enough to make a fully informed personal decision. If people want to argue about Rights they need to get educated about them first! The actual Human Rights of Intersex people, Transsexuals, Crossdressers, Gays, Catholics and even Muslim Fundamentalists are NOT in contradiction at all! None of their Rights are harmed by the Rights of the others.

Just Jennifer said...

Batty, if you know of such a fact, please post a citation for where this evidence is found.

As best I can tell, there is no evidence that crossdressing, and other "transgender" behaviors are anything but learned behaviors. I have seen nothing that seriously suggests that they have any basis in biology.

Simply put, someone learns that they find dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex exciting, and they continue doing it.

Now, if you are so ashamed of such behavior that you feel the need to try to claim a false link to transsexualism, then perhaps you should seek therapy to help you put an end to the behavior. Otherwise, why not simply proudly flaunt your chosen lifestyle, and stop trying to co-opt the experience of transsexuals.

Battybattybats said...

Just Jennifer, what would a MILD case of transsexual neurology look like?

Science, and Dr Dick Swaab (going by the quote attributed to him at Zoe's blog), suggests that such cases should exist.

Zoe's site has covered the science that suggests the existence of Bi-Gender in her post Bi Gender and the Brain.

Not to mention anecdotal evidence of increased chances of crossdressing in family lines already containing crossdressers even when that is kept secret fom the family, such as with famous Australian motering journalist the late Peter Wherret.

What has not been done yet is the studies to attempt to disprove this practical and functional hypothesis. Thats how science works remember, by trying to DISprove potentially fallsifiable hypotheses.

So if the science suggests we should expect to see mild cases of transsexual neuroanatomy just like mild cases of other varant neurology like Autism and Schizophrenia and the science already supports the bi-gender gender identity as evidenced by the lower than 50-50 split of incorrect sex guessing of Intersex children (as detailed on Zoe's blog) then logic and Occams Razor suggests that that is what crossdressing likely is until the evidence shows OTHERWISE.

Because currently what evidence we have of symptoms and life experiences of other gender-varient people including self idnetified crossdressers and genderqueers ALREADY FITS THE PREDICTIONS OF THE CURRENT BIOLOGICAL MODEL.

And until those tests are done, and they need only be the same tests done so far on transsexuals merely looking for milder subtler or partial forms of the same evidence, the uncertainty of that is something everyone has to live with. Because evidence as yet untested for that could be tested for but has not does not mean the evidence does not exist!

Thats basic highschool science. Year 7 stuff.

Zoe Brain said...

Maybe Notorious Nick hasn't gotten completely bored with all this gender theory stuff so dear to our hearts. I suspect he has though. But just in case he's still monitoring this thread - something On Topic.

How come the appointment of Dylan Orr, special assistant to Assistant Secretary of Labor Kathleen Martinez in the Office of Disability Employment Policy at the Department of Labor, hasn't received the same amount of publicity as Amanda Simpson's appointment - which came later?

Could it be that most people aren't aware that Trans men exist? Or is it that they're not so ... icky? So disturbing? So easy to castigate as perverts and freaks?

Any theories Nick? You *did* know about this appointment, right?

Just Jennifer said...

Batty seems to be a bit contradictory. First she claims that a study included a person who did not fit the test group, and now there is an admission that crossdressers and transgender types are not included in studies.

As I said, there is really no reason to suspect any biological factor is at work in such cases. This behavior appears later in life, and there is no history of early issues with one's gender.

Scientific studies cost money, and when there is little chance of finding something new, well, the money is not going to be wasted.

Just Jennifer said...

I suspect that the reason Dylan Orr has not received the attention that Amanda Simpson has received is the simple fact that he has not engaged in the same attempts to bring attention to himself that Simpson did.

Simpson made a strong effort to make sure everyone knew that a "transgender" person had been appointed by Obama.

Battybattybats said...

Just Jennifer I said Crossdressers and Genderqueers had not been studied biologically.

A Non-Op Transsexual is however different. I realise you don't understand that but theres a difference between having a binary gender identity and having a bi-gender identity and the first one doesn't always come with a cross-sex neurological body-map.

As for specifics on the non-op transsexual case i mentioned before while i don't have time to find the study itself right now if i recall correctly it was a Female to Male transsexual in the BSTc study who nevertheless had a male BSTc.

Don't forget that many of the FtM transsexuals (the vast majority from what I've been told by them) choose not to go through 'bottom' surgery. Yet the studies have still found biological evidence.

Perhaps Zoe could direct us to the details in question and correct me if i'm mistaken?

Joann Prinzivalli said...

Leigh (1/5/10 1:57 PM) questions the “Secret Name of God” (the Tetragrammaton, read backward, as HW HY, or HE/SHE) as “Transgender Think.”

I refer you to:

http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=1433

This is an article by Rabbi Mark Sameth, who is from Pleasantville, New York.

A quote from Rabbi Sameth’s article:

“But what if Yud–Hay–Vov–Hay has long been unpronounceable for the simple reason that it is written in reverse?
Reversed, the Name of God becomes Hay Vov Hay Yud. And these two syllables, Hay Vov and Hay Yud, can be vocalized as the sound equivalents of the Hebrew pronouns hu and hi, which are rendered in English as he and she respectively. Combining them together, Hay Vov and Hay Yud become He-She.
He-She, I believe, is the long-unpronounceable Name of God! This secret has been hiding in plain sight for all these years, for it explicitly states in the Torah: God created the earth-creature in God’s own image, male and female.”

Joanne (1/5/10 2:04 PM) – is writing of apples and oranges. I was not arguing against a scientific POV, but was writing to those with a religious POV who might believe the world was literally created in six days.

Notorious Nick (1/710 12:47 PM) does not correctly understand Gen.1:27 or any of the other citations he makes to scripture. From Rabbi Sameth, same article cited in the above URL:

“As God begins to create the first human being—the Adam—he says, “Let us make the earth-creature in our own image.” The text goes on: “Then God created it in God’s own image. Male and female God created them” (Genesis 1:26–27).
The text seems to be saying (and the rabbis of the Talmud and Midrash understood it this way) that Adam was created by God as male and female. The rabbis spoke openly about this, and even composed elaborate speculative stories about the separation of this hermaphroditic creature into the male and female characters that we know as Adam and Eve. What the rabbis were less willing to openly discuss was the extent to which this earth creature was created b’tzelem Elohim, in the dual-gendered image of God.”

Just Jennifer (1/7/10) 12:49 PM) refers to my writing as heresy, and makes fun of Rabbi Sameth’s understanding of the Tetragrammaton’s secret. “Just Jennifer” doesn’t seem to understand anything about transsexual people, either. Hasn’t she heard about HBS? Or WBT? (I grant that some transsexual separatists seem to think that anyone who is politically inclusive must be non-transsexual.) I think “Just Jennifer” doesn’t get the idea that outside the trans community where the discussion sometimes makes arbitrary bright-line distinctions between “transgender” and “transsexual” (and I would still fall into the latter in that case), out in the wider world, the term transgender is often used to refer to transsexual people such as Amanda Simpson. And that the physiological brain-development differences caused by genetic and ontological factors that do not match with the genital duct development, are likely to result in a broader range of transsexual results than separatists acknowledge.

Just Jennifer said...

No, I was not making fun of it. I was refuting it. The claim made assumes that we know the vowels that are missing, which is just that, an assumption. And then it goes further and says "This sort of sounds like..." Sorry, as I said, it is ridiculous.

And actually, I would say you are the one who knows nothing of transsexuals. I am very familiar with Harry Benjamin Syndrome, which is a legitimate attempt to separate which could also be called, as Benjamin did, true transsexualism, from the rather broad and vague term "transgender." The term "transgender" is an artificial political/social construct that was created to unite a broad range of completely unrelated behaviors as part of a movement to deconstruct gender. It is essentially a meaningless term.

Sadly, there is an increasing number of men who, for reasons that are beyond me, decide later in life that they wish to be females following long and successful careers. They clearly had no issues with their gender earlier in life, but then suddenly, usually around mid-life, decide that they should really be women. Now, in almost every case, they have a history of crossdressing behavior. But crossdressing itself is not indicative of being transsexual. A true transsexual may well delay surgery, but they will continue to exhibit the effects of transsexualism on their life until they begin transition. People such as this are not transsexuals.

HBS, or if you insist, transsexualism can be a very devastating condition. Delayed treatment can cause serious mental and behavioral problems.

Oh, and you mention WBT. That term has lost all meaning since Suzan Cooke has effectively joined the TG political movement.

And yes, in some cases a person who is truly transsexual can choose to adopt the transgender political position. It is rare, and it raises question as to whether the person is truly transsexual. People who are transgender feel a strong compulsion to impose their history on others. People who are transsexual most often simply wish to get on with their lives as women.

Anonymous said...

well i read most comments here and as a new zealand transexual we are ahead of the usa!no religion or politics ever into this everyone entitled to their opinion.I like to know from others especially so called straight red blooded males are they secure intheir sexuality?And what is the threat?Haha...got ya...hint of jealousy there perhaps?I commend this woman and she will do a dam sight better job than anyone who has a closed limimted mind!She's educated,looks beautiful and a positive person.We are who we are,we have achieved and are living who we are truly and don't hide behind a lot of crap that straights tend to do like church,islam,christianity to justify there disapproval!Look at poedophiles they tend to be straight!Womanisers?What about them and they call us promiscuous!Hmmf!Live and let live and there would be no more wars in this world!Thailand and Samoa accept transgendered people for thousands of years,they very much part of the community not excluded and they contribute in all ways.Buddhists beleive it's karmic,a concept that hard nosed born again christians cannot grasp.Yeah now wars are moneymaking and are about dwindling resources!My sex on my NZ passport is FEMALE,i had to go to my court to change it on my birth cert...Helen Clarke our last PM appointed a Transexual 3rd time in our Parliament,she was a 2nd time Mayor of a town here.So we are intelligent and successful.I still suffer discrimination but i take it on the chin,it is subtle sometimes blatent but hey they not paying my rent from wages of prostitution!Funny that,theres always money flowing thru my hands!lol...hahah...Now i suffer a double whammy one of morals and being a tranny...i don't give a hoot about the sceptics they usually have some dark secret in their closets themselves!What about that Jewish Billionaire that ripped off the world and plunged us into recession?I rest my case...

Anonymous said...

Our NZ court and South Australia have changed their laws through transexuals lobbying for years their governments and proposed private members bills and we got it and have to have a royal assent in England too,but theirs was overturned unfortunately by some homohobic judge there,yes his lordships most are into boys!!That's their deep dark secret or to stop us getting half in a marriage,i'm also a divorced transexual woman...

Anonymous said...

Thanks to HELEN FRAME formerly of the UK for instigating and seeing our law change through for sex changes to be recognised as FEMALE and deemed to be by our courts on our birth certificates,RIP.It has made my life whole and rounded and happy and positive...

Anonymous said...

I'm transsexual and conservative and object to your derogatory comments on transsexuals. I won't debate whether being ts is a mental condition, or a birth defect or whatever nor do I put much faith in counselors, therapists, etc because they have their own views according to their agendas. I can only speak to how i understand it from experience. I've never felt like a man and years and years of trying to be one has been in vain. Playing hs football, A four year enlistment in the military, manly jobs such as car mechanic, conservative religious teachings and church attendance, daily loathing of myself for my feelings....what can I say. Suicide may be suggested by some here but it's a copout and against my Christian beliefs and would harm those who love me. I have never been dependent on the state and earn a decent income. If I want to change my sex with my own means so as to find relief from my situation that's my business. Not the goverment's, not a conservative bloggers, not anyone.

Just some person said...

Alright, well, I didn't actually read the article or the comments, but I did see the picture and I'd like to make a few observations.

That woman is really ugly!

Firstly, why would god make someone that ugly? Clearly he doesn't make mistakes, so she's responsible for her own ugliness.

Secondly, she must have chosen to be ugly! That's just sick, why would anyone choose to be ugly. Despite what those so- called "experts" of science may have to say, my opinion is that she chose to be ugly (it's such a disgusting extent of ugliness that there's no other explanation).

She wants rights, but she shouldn't get any because ugly people don't deserve rights, because that's disgusting. And people having rights is just abuse of the government, because people having rights takes away from the true liberty of a restrictive society.

This woman is sick for continuing to rudely be ugly in the USA, flagrantly defying the societal norm that ugly women can't even get a boyfriend.

Anonymous said...

Please Jennifer i love your contribution .I want to know more about transexual.If you are on facebook my id is onyekachi obinna onyewuchi.Hope i'm not asking for too much.

Anonymous said...

Is this guy trolling?

norasu79 said...

Before showing your ignorance so publicly, you may want to try for a deeper understanding of the way that genetics and gender tie together. I suggest reading the Pulitzer Prize winning book, Middlesex, by Jeffrey Eugenides.

I had no idea that so many kids were born with unclear gender according to the way their genitalia appear, and that their parents get some sort of "fix" operation so that they grow up as a gender that they may not identify with.

Here's what one blogger had to say in review: http://considerationofbooks.blogspot.com/2008/04/jeffrey-eugenides-middelsex.html

Anonymous said...

God doesn't make mistakes? So the baby with no arms was intentional?

Anonymous said...

If your sure God doesn't make mistakes please feel free the next time you are ill don't visit a doctor it's GODS will. and mine to.

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